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12 May. 2008 19:20:51 |
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I got this photograph as part of a box lot at an auction here in the US and have been trying to figure out where and when it was taken.
The broadsides in the background say, in part (bracketed text is assumed): "...[TREN]T BRIDGE GROUND MONDAY MAY 16th" "ALFRED SHAW'S BENEFIT" "...[LO]RD SHEFFIELD'S 11 V E[NGLAND?]"
I assume the city is Nottingham, and I have tentatively dated it to either 1892 or 1904, the only two years in which May 16th fell on a Monday and which would also be in line with both the capability of cameras to take this type of candid street image, and also the dress of the people pictured.
I haven't found any reference to such a match in records of regular cricket matches, but "ALFRED SHAW'S BENEFIT" suggests to me that it was less a competitive match than a demonstration event, perhaps meant literally to financially support the great Shaw during the time when he wasn't playing (either before his return to play in the mid-1890s or after his final retirement.)
I would be grateful of any further insight you might be able to provide, and any feedback on whether there might be interest in such a photograph among collectors of cricket-related items.
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| Updated By subversivegrrl on 12 May. 2008 19:21:58 |
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12 May. 2008 21:35:06 |
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That's a great photo and I hope some one with knowledge of cricket comes along- the only thing I did wonder was that maybe the opponents are Exeter- my eyes aren't too great but maybe it could be an ex rather than an en?
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12 May. 2008 23:24:29 |
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I've adjusted the colour and distored the image in the hope of making the words on the posters easier to read. 1892 and 1898 both had a Monday 16th May, Alfred would have been 50 or 57 respectively - I'm inclined to think it may have been 1898, here's some background on him and his excellent career as a professional cricketer.
Alfred SHAW, Professional Cricketer. Born at Burton Joyce, Nottinghamshire, 29th August 1842. Died at Gedling, Nottinghamshire, 16th January 1907.
He started as a framework knitter, playing cricket for his village team at Burton Joyce but towards the end of the 1862 season he went as professional to the Grantham club, where he stayed for 1863. In 1864 he was with the Nottingham Commercial club at Trent Bridge and in the May of that year made his first appearance at Lord’s in a Colts match. In June he made his debut in first-class cricket for Nottinghamshire. He made 404 first-class appearances in all, including 193 for Nottinghamshire, 10 for Sussex and seven Test Matches including (I think) playing with WR Grace.
- He toured North America in 1868 and 1879 and Australia in 1876/7, 1881/2, 1884/5, 1886/7, and 1891/2.
- He was a joint promoter of four Australian tours.
- He captained Nottinghamshire 1883-86 and after the 1886 season, when he was 44, it was felt that he was too old and after some disagreement he lost his place in the side.
He took up an engagement with cricket mad Lord Sheffield in Sussex and in 1894, at the age of 51, was persuaded to turn out again in county cricket for Sussex and came top of the county bowling averages. After leaving Lord Sheffield in 1898 he was a first-class umpire until the end of 1905.
Outside cricket he was for a time landlord of the Lord Nelson Inn, Burton Joyce, moving in about 1878 to the Prince of Wales Inn, Kilburn. In 1881 he returned to Nottingham, becoming landlord of the Belvoir Inn. Starting in 1880 he was partner in the cricketing business of Shaw and Shrewsbury, Carrington Street, Nottingham.
At the time of the 1881 Census he was living at 15 Kirkby Street, Nottingham, aged 38, a professional cricketer, with his wife Easter, aged 35. They had five children, Millicent aged 15, William A. aged 13, Arthur F. aged 11, John aged 8, and Betrice aged 5, all born at Burton Joyce.
Bob

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Posted :
13 May. 2008 22:55:06 |
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| brill photo. awesome detective work ,Bob. |
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14 May. 2008 00:39:16 |
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I love a good bit of hunting too..and found another great article about the man at:
http://www.trentbridge.co.uk/news/shownews.php/1/0/656/nottinghamshire-cricketers-part-7/

NOTE THE TEXT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED AT THE END, WHICH TIES IN WITH THE YEAR 1898 AND GIVES THE PROBABLE REASON FOR THIS MATCH....
Alfred Shaw – Emperor of Bowlers. That is what his contemporaries dubbed him, but gazing at the 19th century
photographs Shaw looks astonishingly like Edward VII, having the same
shaped face, the stout figure and the spade beard. Edward VII however
only played a handful of cricket matches and achieved nothing. The
Lillywhite Companion of 1866 places H.R.H. at the top of the
first-class batting table – he had two innings and scored 2 runs! The
editor published a letter from H.R.H.’s Secretary acknowledging receipt
of the book in the front of the annual! Obituaries
tend to the laudatory, but the best way to place Shaw in the pantheon
of famous cricketers is to quote from ‘Cricket’ of January 31st, 1907: ‘To
say that he was one of the Kings of Cricket is to understate, rather
than exaggerate, the case, for all good judges of the game are
unanimous in regarding him as having never been surpassed as a bowler;
indeed, the saying ‘As accurate as Alfred Shaw’ has, among cricketers,
as much significance as ‘as safe as the Bank of England’ among people
generally. It is of course impossible to compare Shaw with such
old-time worthies as David Harris, William Lillywhite, Lumpy and
others, for the conditions that existed in his time were quite
different from those of sixty or seventy years earlier. It is
nevertheless quite as impossible to believe that either of the great
trio mentioned, ever excelled the Nottinghamshire crack so far as
precision is concerned. That Shaw must be reckoned the greatest of all
medium pace bowlers is everywhere acknowledged. His extreme accuracy of
pitch and a deceptive flight combined to credit him with hundreds of
wickets.’ The
above extract is less than a tenth of that particular eulogy. Brought
up in the round-arm era, his action remained in W.G.Grace’s words,
‘easy round-arm’. In September 1863, Notts arranged a second Colts
Trial. Shaw, playing with the Colts (he was born in Burton Joyce in
August 1842) took seven wickets for l4 runs. He then appeared in a MCC
v Colts of England match at Lord’s and took 13 for 55. His
first-class debut came in Notts’ first game of 1864 and for the next 22
years (except for 1881 and when injured) he was a permanent member of
the county side. Because of the Notts’ bowling strength, for several
years he played as an all-rounder, with batting as his strength but
from 1871 he was a principal element in the Notts attack. In 1877 he
missed most of the summer through illness, but the following season was
perhaps his most outstanding. He bowled in partnership with the
left-arm Fred Morley and both were engaged at Lord’s by MCC as well as
playing for Notts. In all first-class matches Shaw took 201 wickets at
10.95, bowling 2,630 overs; Morley had figures of 197 wickets at 12.11
off 1,996.3 overs. For Notts Shaw took 92 wickets and Morley 126. It
was in that summer that the Australian touring side first visited
England (excluding the 1868 Aborigines Team); their first fixture was
against Notts at Trent Bridge. Shaw and Morley bowled unchanged through
both Australian innings. Shaw took 11 for 55, Morley 8 for 72.
Australia were all out 63 and 76. Notts won by an innings. It
would be informative, but repetitious to log every outstanding analysis
returned by Shaw; his final first-class bowling figures for Notts are
898 wickets at 11.51 and in all first-class games 2026 wickets at 12.13
(plus one wicket in which no analysis survives) From
1865 to 1881(except for 1868 and 1869 when he played for the AEE) Shaw
was engaged at Lord’s. In 1883 he was persuaded by Lord Sheffield to
come to Sheffield Park, his lordship’s private ground in Sussex, and
scour Sussex in order to unearth fresh talent for the Sussex County
side. Rather oddly, by today’s standards, this appointment with Lord
Sheffield coincided with Notts appointing Shaw as county captain. His
success as captain however has never been equalled for Nottinghamshire
and rarely by other county captains – Shaw took Notts to the County
Championship title in four successive summers. Precisely what occurred
next is not clear, though the outcome is. He
parted company with Notts and Mordecai Sherwin was made captain for
1887. The press were astonished, the sacking of the most successful
captain of all time. Shaw remained with Lord Sheffield for another nine
seasons but his mission to discover new Sussex talent failed – in fact
in 1894 Shaw, after seven years out of county cricket and now aged 51
was co-opted into the Sussex county side. The season’s review explains
the outcome: ‘The
famous veteran bowled with a skill and accuracy which proved him by far
the best bowler in the Sussex team…The fact that Shaw headed the Sussex
bowling averages speaks volumes for the manner in which he has retained
his form.’ Twice
he took seven wickets in an innings – against Surrey and against Notts,
two of the strongest batting sides. His legs finally gave way early in
the following summer, when, against Notts at Trent Bridge, his analysis
read 100.1-31-168-4. (there were 5 balls per over, but Shaw’s 500.1
balls in a single innings remains the record in Championship cricket). He
finally retired from County cricket, though maing a last appearance in
first-class matches for Notts v Philadelphians in 1897. After leaving
Lord Sheffield’s employ, Shaw joined the first-class umpires’ list for
1898 and remained on it until ill-health forced his retirement in 1905. Whilst
full of praise for his bowling and captaincy, critics were not too
enthusiastic about Shaw’s batting and fielding. In 1875 a journalist
commented: ‘Shaw
is not very certain in his batting and fielding; he hits hard to
square-leg, and sometimes plays in good form, at other times he is
flukey, and he will sometimes field well and make good catches, whilst
at others he is slow and cannot get over the ground at all; he is
usually a dead shot at the wicket’. Shaw
toured Australia five times – in 1876-77 he bowled the first ball in
the first ever Test Match; in 1881-82 he captained the side including
in four Tests. In 1884-85, 1886-87 and 1891-92 he acted as manager and
did not appear in any first-class games. During the three tours of the
1880s he was joint promoter of the trip and made substantial sums, but
he was also joint promoter of the 1887-88 tour (though not travelling
to Australia) and later claimed he lost all the money made on the
previous ventures. In 1868 and 1879 he toured North America. As
a businessman he was in partnership with Arthur Shrewsbury in the
sports goods firm, Shaw & Shrewsbury, founded in 1880. He was at
one time landlord of the Lord Nelson Inn in Burton Joyce and from 1878
to 1881 landlord of the Prince of Wales Inn in Kilburn, London. Shaw
died at his home in Gedling in January 1907 and is buried in Gedling
Churchyard. ------ There is also this article which mentions that the poor guy went through financial disaster.... probable cause if ever there was any for a benefit match!!
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/england/content/player/20137.html
Love Michelle x I know this doesnt tell you where the photo was taken..but its interesting background info...LOL!!
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| Updated By ArcticRainbow on 14 May. 2008 00:50:54 |
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Posted :
14 May. 2008 11:16:05 |
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Btw... I also wrote an email to the Nottingham City Council website to ask if they had any historians that might be able to assist with this photo.
I got a reply this morning to say:
"Thank you for your email. I have forwarded your comments on to the Library
& Information Service Section who will investigate this and you will hear
from them shortly".
So lets hope they can help...
Love Michelle x
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14 May. 2008 16:18:27 |
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I'm thrilled to be able to tell you that a parallel inquiry has produced some results - Pete Griffith, who maintains the online Cricket Archive, pointed me to this information: http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/3/3791.html
According to Pete, "[Shaw] received £130 from it, rain interfering with the match. (It was his second benefit match, the first, in 1879 produving £150 and also being rain-hit.)"
So it's positively ID'd as 1892, which is fairly early for a candid street shot like this (esp. with the moving bodies not blurring.) Bob, that's a very cool and useful way of looking at the pic. For some reason, even tho' it's scanned at a high resolution, the signs are easier to read on the original than the scanned version.
Thanks for everyone's help and interest on this -
Does anyone have any insight into whether there would be interest among collectors and how much such a thing might bring? The original photo is approx. 4"x5", mounted on some sort of cardboard (which I understand is fairly standard for amateur photos of the day), and is somewhat curved. |
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Posted :
14 May. 2008 18:38:49 |
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Hi Subversivegrrl...
Thanks so much for coming back and sharing that with us... so many times people ask questions and then dont update us.... so this is great!
I had been at that site too last night..(as you can see from the time I wrote my message it was quite late in the UK and here in Finland I am two hours ahead so you can +2 to the GMT time!! LOL) I had read on another site that there was another benefit match...but was focusing on the latter date..
Of course we still dont know exactly where it was taken..so I am hoping that the Nottingham Council will be able to help with that. Would be great if the bridge (as it looks like) is still in existence...but its so narrow that I doubt it.
It is a great picture and I agree a very rare thing in those days....photography was not a cheap affair! Thank goodness people did enjoy the hobby though as otherwise we wouldnt have such wonders of the past, today!!
Lets hope a photographic specialist will be able to offer you a pricing! I will watch with interest!
Love Michelle x
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Posted :
23 May. 2008 10:52:32 |
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Hi Subversivegrrl,
I got this email today... I will forward the two images to this email and perhaps you could follow it up. I will explain that you will be making contact also.. Love Michelle x (Let us know what transpires)
Thank you for your enquiry, which has been forwarded to the Local
Studies Library, Nottingham Central Library. The best local
photographic historian is Bernard Heathcote whom I may be able to put
you into contact with. Bernard and his late wife Pauline have done
substantial research and published information about Victorian and
Edwardian photographers in Nottinghamshire. If you can send me a
scanned copy of the photograph I may be able to identify the view for
you.
Yours sincerely,
Dorothy Ritchie.
Local Studies Library.
Nottingham Central Library.
Angel Row,
Nottingham NG1 6HP
Telephone 0115 9152873
E-mail local_studies.library@nottinghamcity.gov.uk |
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Posted :
25 May. 2008 20:35:58 |
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Michelle - thanks! I'll let you know what I learn!
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